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Post by ylevental on Nov 20, 2015 14:59:27 GMT
There is no way any candidate is telling the truth. Sanders makes wild promises but doesn't live up to them. Clinton is just a copy of her husband, Ben Carson is senile, and Trump only cares about himself. I will say though, at least Trump is honest about his intentions.
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Post by RefrigeratorMom on Nov 22, 2015 14:14:28 GMT
Only an aspie would put so much emphasis on truth telling. I dont't want my president to be truthful, i want her/him to be diplomatic, cunning, very smart, socially gifted, and overall, an optimist. Leadership qualities.
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Post by ylevental on Nov 22, 2015 17:22:54 GMT
Only an aspie would put so much emphasis on truth telling. I dont't want my president to be truthful, i want her/him to be diplomatic, cunning, very smart, socially gifted, and overall, an optimist. Leadership qualities. So honesty isn't a leadership quality?
Remember, the purpose of the president is to serve America's citizens -- or so I hope. Trump may be terrible but at least he doesn't promise false hope like Sanders.
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Post by itt2 on Nov 22, 2015 20:44:33 GMT
I don't think people make false promises on purpose. I think most candidates truly believe the line they are selling. It seems to me that many candidates over the years have had an overly optimistic opinion of their own abilities to tackle the big issues. Most politicians are full of themselves, to a degree. You have to be, or else you would never have the cajones to actually take on such big stakes. You've got to have a pretty big ego to believe that you can win a national election.
I think Trump is a brilliant business man and an entertaining public figure. I would be embarrassed, however, if he were my president. Some of the stuff he says is entertaining from an evening news perspective, but it would be offensive from a world leader perspective.
I am always disappointed by elections, and usually find it a matter of voting for the least offensive candidate, not the best.
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Post by ylevental on Nov 23, 2015 4:59:11 GMT
I don't think people make false promises on purpose. I think most candidates truly believe the line they are selling. It seems to me that many candidates over the years have had an overly optimistic opinion of their own abilities to tackle the big issues. Most politicians are full of themselves, to a degree. You have to be, or else you would never have the cajones to actually take on such big stakes. You've got to have a pretty big ego to believe that you can win a national election. I think Trump is a brilliant business man and an entertaining public figure. I would be embarrassed, however, if he were my president. Some of the stuff he says is entertaining from an evening news perspective, but it would be offensive from a world leader perspective. I am always disappointed by elections, and usually find it a matter of voting for the least offensive candidate, not the best. In my opinion, there is a simple yet effective way to ensure that a candidate is telling the truth: make sure that they have an effective plan to implement the changes they want when they enter office. At least Trump admits to not wanting to create a plan.
The problem with the whole "ego" thing is that you're saying it's about winning, but that's not how serving a nation works. The ultimate goal should be America, not the presidency, and that's not what I see in this election.
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Post by itt2 on Nov 26, 2015 14:21:17 GMT
The problem with the whole "ego" thing is that you're saying it's about winning, but that's not how serving a nation works. The ultimate goal should be America, not the presidency, and that's not what I see in this election.
I take it you don't know many politicians? Your statement is idealistic, but not realistic. I don't think most politicians see political office as a chance to serve. I think they see it as a chance to have power and control. I mean, they may *say* they want to serve, but really want they want is the power. Have you ever seen anything else in an election? You keep saying "at least Trump" as though you see him to have redeeming qualities. It is true that there have been some businessmen who have been successful politicians (think Bloomberg in NYC), but they are not the "in-your-face," overbearing kind of business man like Trump. His tactics may work in the business world, but they will not work in terms of being a world leader. He is an a**. A bull in a china shop. A pushy, condescending bully. You can't say the ignorant things he says out loud when you are in a position such as the US Presidency. I appreciate that he wants to be "real," and I don't have an issue with him as a person, as a businessman, or as a celebrity. But I will be so embarrassed if he is actually elected as president. The rest of the world already has a negative impression of Americans (well, maybe not the rest of the world, but much of the world). He would only serve to further the stereotypes and negative beliefs. Can you imagine the international news coverage of some of the stupid things he says? <shudders> |
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Post by ylevental on Nov 26, 2015 18:42:28 GMT
The problem with the whole "ego" thing is that you're saying it's about winning, but that's not how serving a nation works. The ultimate goal should be America, not the presidency, and that's not what I see in this election.
I take it you don't know many politicians? Your statement is idealistic, but not realistic. I don't think most politicians see political office as a chance to serve. I think they see it as a chance to have power and control. I mean, they may *say* they want to serve, but really want they want is the power. Have you ever seen anything else in an election? You keep saying "at least Trump" as though you see him to have redeeming qualities. It is true that there have been some businessmen who have been successful politicians (think Bloomberg in NYC), but they are not the "in-your-face," overbearing kind of business man like Trump. His tactics may work in the business world, but they will not work in terms of being a world leader. He is an a**. A bull in a china shop. A pushy, condescending bully. You can't say the ignorant things he says out loud when you are in a position such as the US Presidency. I appreciate that he wants to be "real," and I don't have an issue with him as a person, as a businessman, or as a celebrity. But I will be so embarrassed if he is actually elected as president. The rest of the world already has a negative impression of Americans (well, maybe not the rest of the world, but much of the world). He would only serve to further the stereotypes and negative beliefs. Can you imagine the international news coverage of some of the stupid things he says? <shudders> I don't know what else you would propose though. Sure, Sanders sounds really attractive, but he would be another Obama. Obama promised change and didn't do anything, and Sanders never says how he plans to implement his policies, he just makes wild promises. I don't care about perception, I care about results.
The rich control what happens in this country, so here's what I hope: Trump can reach the most people as he can buy the most influence, so he will win for sure, but then he will make things so bad there will be a people's revolution where they overthrow the ultra-rich. Change never happens when people are well-fed.
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Post by meistersinger on Jan 9, 2016 5:48:40 GMT
Sorry, but you can't accomplish much when the legislature does nothing but obstruct, even when the Exec offers an olive branch.
I only know of one president in the last 50 years that couldn't get anything due to the obstructionism in Congress, and that was Jimmy Carter.
But I do agree with your last thought. If tRump wins, there will be a revolution. How it will appear, I haven't the foggiest notion, but it will appear if the oligarchs continue with the same ole same ole.
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