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Post by gollygee on Nov 9, 2015 12:44:30 GMT
Seriously? Already a locked thread, and for no real reason whatsoever? And a mod telling people to "calm down" who aren't even upset? LAME
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Post by max on Nov 9, 2015 13:30:35 GMT
Seriously? Already a locked thread, and for no real reason whatsoever? And a mod telling people to "calm down" who aren't even upset? LAME “Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men. . . . There is no worse heresy than that the office sanctifies the holder of it.”- Lord Acton, (1887)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2015 14:49:14 GMT
Seriously? Already a locked thread, and for no real reason whatsoever? And a mod telling people to "calm down" who aren't even upset? LAME “Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men. . . . There is no worse heresy than that the office sanctifies the holder of it.”- Lord Acton, (1887) What am I suppose to do when people are hurling insults at one another? Can you not see I am doing the best to my ability, the forum was created to have mature conversations not to bash one another and have no authority to intervene. If you guys want I can leave like Io and you can see how long this forum will last with out technical knowledge and someone to prevent personal insults. I am not here to lock threads unnecessarily but have you not seen the insult in that thread that cause us to lost a valued moderator. Please understand, my interest is only to protect this forum. I am also not corrupt, nor am I a great man or even a man of authority, I am a man who wants to protect the interest of this forum. Is throwing insults at Io protecting this forum? That is why I want us to calm down, the insults, I don't want others to partake in that as OOM has made that a rule. As a moderator I can only enforce the rules, it is not my place to create rules, thats OOM's job. I am doing my part, please understand from my perspective, please try very hard to imagine how I feel about the situation.
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Post by btbnnyr on Nov 9, 2015 17:13:24 GMT
It is too bad that bea and io left. Also too bad that bimog left earlier. I think bimog had the right idea of no mods. Admin + Tech + Users seems right to me. I would be tech, but I am way too busy with school and would be unreliable in that role.
I think the one thing that bea said to io was not that bad. My feeling is that io means well, but comes across bad, and bea got mad for a moment, as many people would in response to io's comment.
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Post by Misery on Nov 9, 2015 17:16:58 GMT
Seriously? Already a locked thread, and for no real reason whatsoever? And a mod telling people to "calm down" who aren't even upset? LAME Yes, and it was necessary. Particularly because people in there WERENT calm. I had a look at it myself. Insults indeed. If there's insult flinging, people arent calm, and one way or another, it needs to stop. What a good moderator DOESNT do is just let it happen. And honestly, from reading that topic, I could see right away that the banned user was seriously going to be nothing but trouble. I mean, really, that person trying to yell at others about them going for help (which most of us only do IF WE THINK WE NEED IT), just because it ANNOYS her/him? On a FORUM? Where you dont even have to CLICK topics that are obviously looking for help/answers, and where some people that go there may be genuinely DESPERATE for help? To me, that was someone that was spoiling for a fight, and also someone that probably doesnt respect others much. Eventually, it would have ended this way one way or another. And note, I say this as someone who has probably been to more forums than not just everyone here, but nearly everyone on WP as well. There's no point in me trying to count them.... there's been too many. Even just right now, I'm a part of what, 6? 7? I'd have to stop and think about it. And sometimes, you can tell a troublesome user apart from others very quickly. Usually, it doesnt take long for them to prove you right. The right actions were taken here. Yeah, it sucks to have that sort of thing happen already, but.... so it goes, on forums sometimes. Fortunately, this is likely to be a rare event. And to OOM, I'm willing to help with the moderating myself if you'd like. As I said I've been to 10 squillion forums, and I can be fairly good at defusing situations if they occur; depends on what's happening. In this case though, there probably wasnt any defusing that, it wouldnt have worked.
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Post by btbnnyr on Nov 9, 2015 17:23:42 GMT
The locked thread really didn't have such big impact on me as it seems to have on some of you, I was only annoyed that it was locked. I don't understand what you are perceiving that is so bad, while to me it is just a conversation between people. So what if it is uncomfortable topic that you disagree with? People can talk about it in public, and you can disagree with them. So what if people argue back and forth and the conversation is not i love you, i so agree, you are so right, this this this! The first type can degenerate badly but hold possbility of some new insights, the second type is usually stagnant.
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Post by Misery on Nov 9, 2015 17:29:13 GMT
The locked thread really didn't have such big impact on me as it seems to have on some of you, I was only annoyed that it was locked. I don't understand what you are perceiving that is so bad, while to me it is just a conversation between people. So what if it is uncomfortable topic that you disagree with? People can talk about it in public, and you can disagree with them. So what if people argue back and forth and the conversation is not i love you, i so agree, you are so right, this this this! The first type can degenerate badly but hold possbility of some new insights, the second type is usually stagnant. It's not that people were arguing. There's nothing wrong with a bit of debate and whatnot. It happens all the time over on WP (and every forum I go to), and the mods dont need to intervene or do anything at all. It's that insults were being flung. Once that line is crossed, action must be taken. Any good forum will have a procedure, and conditions, such as that. Just as there's also nothing wrong with any given topic (so long as it's not outright offensive, like someone making a topic that's just filled with f-bombs and racist comments, or some nonsense like that) by any given individual. If there had been something genuinely wrong with the topic itself, it would have been locked far sooner, I'm sure. That being said, it was still an indicator of probable things to come. To me, anyway. I wouldnt have DONE anything just because of the topic itself, but I would have been more watchful of it for awhile afterwards, definitely. Though, I am thinking that perhaps warnings should be given before any bans occur (unless they WERE given and I just havent seen that part). Though that, of course, is up to OOM.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2015 17:42:09 GMT
The locked thread really didn't have such big impact on me as it seems to have on some of you, I was only annoyed that it was locked. I don't understand what you are perceiving that is so bad, while to me it is just a conversation between people. So what if it is uncomfortable topic that you disagree with? People can talk about it in public, and you can disagree with them. So what if people argue back and forth and the conversation is not i love you, i so agree, you are so right, this this this! The first type can degenerate badly but hold possbility of some new insights, the second type is usually stagnant. The locked thread really didn't have such big impact on me as it seems to have on some of you, I was only annoyed that it was locked. I don't understand what you are perceiving that is so bad, while to me it is just a conversation between people. So what if it is uncomfortable topic that you disagree with? People can talk about it in public, and you can disagree with them. So what if people argue back and forth and the conversation is not i love you, i so agree, you are so right, this this this! The first type can degenerate badly but hold possbility of some new insights, the second type is usually stagnant. It's not that people were arguing. There's nothing wrong with a bit of debate and whatnot. It happens all the time over on WP (and every forum I go to), and the mods dont need to intervene or do anything at all. It's that insults were being flung. Once that line is crossed, action must be taken. Any good forum will have a procedure, and conditions, such as that. Just as there's also nothing wrong with any given topic (so long as it's not outright offensive, like someone making a topic that's just filled with f-bombs and racist comments, or some nonsense like that) by any given individual. If there had been something genuinely wrong with the topic itself, it would have been locked far sooner, I'm sure. That being said, it was still an indicator of probable things to come. To me, anyway. I wouldnt have DONE anything just because of the topic itself, but I would have been more watchful of it for awhile afterwards, definitely. Though, I am thinking that perhaps warnings should be given before any bans occur (unless they WERE given and I just havent seen that part). Though that, of course, is up to OOM. To clarify beaarthur left on her own accord, I merely barred her from coming back. Her user was deleted before I came on the scene. The insult wasn't that bad and would have giving a warning had she not decided to leave anyway. I just don't want her coming back with a bitter attitude, plus her insult however mild caused another user to leave. Also, btbnnyr, I addressed this a page ago on this thread, nothing you said bothered me and we were having a conversation like you said. It was the insult that caused the topic to be locked, nothing more and nothing less. Please understand me when I say this. I am much more patience than Io and have a very thick skin so we can continue to debate this btbnnyr as long as no hurtful comments are thrown. Just try and understand my side and I will understand yours, I know not being able to express yourself sucks but its only temporary and I am trying very hard to get a hold of OOM. The thread will have its place, have faith in me, I am on your side.
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Post by btbnnyr on Nov 9, 2015 17:48:01 GMT
Let's forget this whole thing and try to get and welcome new members and continue discussing things we are interested in. Don't worry about unlocking the thread, it is what it is, and better to move on now.
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Post by Ezra on Nov 12, 2015 8:16:55 GMT
What concerns me is a person with a "I've been everywhere and know everything" attitude.
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Post by meistersinger on Feb 20, 2016 5:49:42 GMT
Then I probably would not make a good moderator. I view moderation as an extension to my living quarters. You are a guest in my abode and you WILL abide by my rules. The tiniest infraction will get you banned permanently. My life is miserable enough: I don't need to babysit grown adults who act like 5 year olds, and I don't need teenagers that act like infants or spoiled brats. The rules are simple: show respect, and keep discussions civil. Discussion can get heated, but the second the flame throwers come out is when I stop the discussion and permanently ban all the participants in the flame fest. Like my mother used to say, if you can't say anything nice, then shut the f!ck up, leave and never darken my door again.
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Post by OOM on Feb 20, 2016 12:03:32 GMT
Then I probably would not make a good moderator. I view moderation as an extension to my living quarters. You are a guest in my abode and you WILL abide by my rules. The tiniest infraction will get you banned permanently. My life is miserable enough: I don't need to babysit grown adults who act like 5 year olds, and I don't need teenagers that act like infants or spoiled brats. The rules are simple: show respect, and keep discussions civil. Discussion can get heated, but the second the flame throwers come out is when I stop the discussion and permanently ban all the participants in the flame fest. Like my mother used to say, if you can't say anything nice, then shut the f!ck up, leave and never darken my door again. Right now I am not even sure how many mods there are. Some left, and I did just make one person a mod the other day but I doubt she will even want to or have time to so any mod stuff. It's more of a just in case thing I guess. It's not really a very busy forum and I pretty much expect people to handle things thselves unless it's some kind of extreme situation or a troll or a for real troublemaker. I sort of trust people to be able to type to each other, even in all caps, without something horrible happening. So I plan on just being chill and hoping others will be too. I have seen how some folks get all caught up in computer games and that kind of stuff and it gets VERY IMPORTANT to them that everything about it be right and satisfactory (a couple of my kids like playing them) but I doubt a forum, especially this small one, would be like that for anybody, so I just imagine people will be able to just shrug it off if we get a spammer or a douchebag, at least until I come by and see it and fix it. Mainly my thing is not going overboard. I want to stay away from overboard. I did set up and give some space to the ladies from WP who want a private women only forum, and I'm going to give them their own mod to handle that particular area because other than adding people to the group that can access the private forum, I doubt I'll be doing much with that area. That can just be a WP area that's over here if they want it that way, or they are welcome to post in the other areas as well.
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Post by meistersinger on Feb 20, 2016 13:34:14 GMT
Then I probably would not make a good moderator. I view moderation as an extension to my living quarters. You are a guest in my abode and you WILL abide by my rules. The tiniest infraction will get you banned permanently. My life is miserable enough: I don't need to babysit grown adults who act like 5 year olds, and I don't need teenagers that act like infants or spoiled brats. The rules are simple: show respect, and keep discussions civil. Discussion can get heated, but the second the flame throwers come out is when I stop the discussion and permanently ban all the participants in the flame fest. Like my mother used to say, if you can't say anything nice, then shut the f!ck up, leave and never darken my door again.
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Post by OOM on Feb 20, 2016 16:34:57 GMT
I know. You just said that. Don't worry, it's cool. I'm not asking you to be. I have about three people I'm bugging the shit out of in private message to talk them into it. Soon I'll resort to bribes of baked goods in the mail. My daughter is a pastry chef.
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Post by aspieotaku on Apr 24, 2016 18:54:20 GMT
Wrong planet is Prison Planet, or should I say North Korea Planet!
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